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Post by u sure know on Feb 10, 2006 1:15:20 GMT -5
You guys are obsessed with lora and honestly, it's a little creepy. Ok, maybe not everyone but the writer(s) of the last two posts definitely is. If you guys personally knew anything about pageants, you would know that it's not only about being pretty (besides having daddy buy you a spot). Yes, that's what a beauty pageant represents but the girls do not get selected just because of how they look. Substance counts for more than anything - take a look around Vancouver, skinny "pretty" girls are EVERYwhere. Why do you think these specific girls were selected? Looks are considered as a secondary attribute to somebody with substance. Besides, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It is nice to be told you're pretty but these are women with personalities, brains, and aspirations - rather than belittling them for the last 16 pages, have a little respect by addressing them with more than just, "I've seen _____ with no makuep, they're ugly!" or "They're pretty and tall!" Why don't you work up the nerve to join a pageant and then comment. the writer before your post did not appear to have written anything  , and the writer before that thinks she's sizzling hot (that person entitled to his/her opinion, too!) is showing a confident pic of a contestant indicative of creepiness??? or could it be interpreted as a sign of genuine appreciation and respect for that posted contestant?  It could also be interpreted that the first writer wants to generate a little excitement and heat for the contestant s/he is routing for (who knows!?) sounds like you sure have something to say about everything, and you're entitled just as much as those other you commented on... if a person supports a contestant and route for her (even long after the contest)... you call that "creepiness"... if they criticized a contestant with their observations, you call them "rude" (in so many words)... interpretation and judgment is a tricky business, there is always more than one side to see the same identical thing. How you characterize it, would definitely be reflecting the state you're in... positive or negative... and your views and biases toward the expressions of the authors, and the subject matter interpreted. letting free speech and free expression runs its course, would be the ultimate democracy (except for out-right inflammatory remarks made and the showing of pics of poor taste or in a context that is damaging to the reputation of the contestant) |
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Post by opinion on Feb 10, 2006 1:39:32 GMT -5
You guys are obsessed with lora and honestly, it's a little creepy. Ok, maybe not everyone but the writer(s) of the last two posts definitely is. If you guys personally knew anything about pageants, you would know that it's not only about being pretty (besides having daddy buy you a spot). Yes, that's what a beauty pageant represents but the girls do not get selected just because of how they look. Substance counts for more than anything - take a look around Vancouver, skinny "pretty" girls are EVERYwhere. Why do you think these specific girls were selected? Looks are considered as a secondary attribute to somebody with substance. Besides, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It is nice to be told you're pretty but these are women with personalities, brains, and aspirations - rather than belittling them for the last 16 pages, have a little respect by addressing them with more than just, "I've seen _____ with no makuep, they're ugly!" or "They're pretty and tall!" Why don't you work up the nerve to join a pageant and then comment. A beauty pageant is different things to different people. To some, it is beauty, to some it is about young women coming of age, and showing their poise and confident side to the world. To others, it is about the whole package (whatever that is... brains, beauty, poise, confidence, talents, flexibility, manners, etc). To others, it is a judging contest with many criteria and rules, some obvious, and some dark and hidden. In short, we do not need you, or the media, or the organizer of the pageant to tell us about "what" or "how" to think about the contestants or the contest itself. We can judge that for ourself. Thank you. Some of us watch pageants for the hot girls in swimsuits, some watch it for pretty faces, some watch it for talents, and some watch it for how skill they are at answering obviously tricky or meaningful or meaningless questions. Some of us are serious about routing for our favorite contestant(s), some of us just watch it for entertainment and a good laugh, and some of us just want to gossip about pageants. Some contestants themselves enter the contest on a dare, or a challenge to themselves, some are their life long dreams, some are pressured into it by peers, and some try to use it as a stepping stone into something else (such as the entertainment industry, or be good will embassdor and do charity work) So, there... we have all types, all different reasons, so stop the "sensitivity" lecture already (even though your intention may be good to start with) ! |
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Post by oh i know on Feb 10, 2006 2:14:34 GMT -5
oh my friend there is a difference between "rooting" for someone and rampantly putting up pictures of someone you hardly know especially with no clarification surrounding the context of the matter. Putting up a picture and then writing that they're "sizzling hot" can hardly be interpreted as "respect or appreciation". Furthermore, putting up a picture with no corresponding dialogue adds nothing to the discussion except that now there is an illustration of which we can readily find. I really don't think much interpretation would be required to see that - it is for the most part an objective observation. The irony of your post is that you as well have something to say about everything I had to say. It seems that you too believe in broad interpretations since "out-right inflammatory remarks..." according to you should be self-censored.
And please do not identify democracy directly with free speech and freedom of expression, they are related yet separate entities. Having a true democracy would require much more than just freedom of expression which we already are entitled to under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and also from the anonymity provided by the internet.
I am critiquing and bringing to light the tendency of followers of this forum to reduce pageantry contestants to their appearances. If you would like to interpret it as being "rude" then that is your comment but please do not make assumptions on my behalf. Bringing awareness to the common issue of stereotyping and labelling cannot be equalled to passing judgment on politeness or rudeness. One can criticize another about their appearances while not being "rude" about it but the trend of only associating a woman with her appearance is an issue that should be rectified in our society.
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Post by u sure know on Feb 10, 2006 3:16:31 GMT -5
oh my friend there is a difference between "rooting" for someone and rampantly putting up pictures of someone you hardly know especially with no clarification surrounding the context of the matter. Putting up a picture and then writing that they're "sizzling hot" can hardly be interpreted as "respect or appreciation". Furthermore, putting up a picture with no corresponding dialogue adds nothing to the discussion except that now there is an illustration of which we can readily find. I really don't think much interpretation would be required to see that - it is for the most part an objective observation. The irony of your post is that you as well have something to say about everything I had to say. It seems that you too believe in broad interpretations since "out-right inflammatory remarks..." according to you should be self-censored. And please do not identify democracy directly with free speech and freedom of expression, they are related yet separate entities. Having a true democracy would require much more than just freedom of expression which we already are entitled to under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and also from the anonymity provided by the internet. I am critiquing and bringing to light the tendency of followers of this forum to reduce pageantry contestants to their appearances. If you would like to interpret it as being "rude" then that is your comment but please do not make assumptions on my behalf. Bringing awareness to the common issue of stereotyping and labelling cannot be equalled to passing judgment on politeness or rudeness. One can criticize another about their appearances while not being "rude" about it but the trend of only associating a woman with her appearance is an issue that should be rectified in our society. What you are advocating is certainly noble - the idea of "not associating women to only their outward appearance, but to their whole person". Also, you appeared to be a person of reasons and intellect, so one would think you would reserve judgment and take everything in with a grain of salt. Just for discussion sake... guess everyone who participate in this forum are not all "reactionary" types. Some participants or "followers of miss Chinese Vancouver" actually have agendas, while others just want to share news and opinions. Since you are saying you are not passing judgments of the other posters, but merely bring "awareness" to a point of view that you "advocate" or "subscribe" to, guess that would mean your comment has an active agenda, and not of the variety of just sharing MCVP information, pics, and tidbits. Those who just post a picture up without words, or the ones who put a photo up with a comment that would cause sensations and debate, maybe achieving the exact aim that he or she is setting out to stir up (you are being "reeled" right into it - with your reactionary comments, your advocacy of your particular "agenda", beliefs, or ideals - of promoting the view of appreciation of women as "whole" persons) You and I do not really know whether the author(s) of the 2 posts you referred to have agendas other than sharing a pic of their favorite contestant, like making some "noise" and "heat" for their contestant, or whether they are consciously or sub-consciously promoting the objectification view of women. The sum of the others' comments and the 2 pics have somehow set you off into the "awareness lecture" this forum is forced to endure (and I am adding to the fire... DOH!). This forum and this forum topic does not have rules that indicate that a "discussion" with words are needed to participate in the "following" of the MCVP contest. I certainly would not pass judgments on the participants of this forum on this very topic, to classified them by their points of view or lack there of, as long as they are "followers" of the MCVP contest, and that they are contributing materials (text or photo or whatever) that is relevant to the topic at hand. In terms of "Activist-ism", or the act of bring awareness to the masses (to an audience of varying and different maturity levels, and appreciation of social concepts) - I am not sure if many people like to be told how they should think, or what they should or should not do or say or promote. I apologize to the forum for getting OFF TOPIC already! |
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Post by estelle on Feb 10, 2006 3:28:29 GMT -5
it's like reading essays  could either one of you help me with my essays ;D seeing as there's no pageant taking place right now it's kinda something 'educational' to read at least |
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Post by KeepItAlive on Feb 10, 2006 3:44:09 GMT -5
LOL! I rather we keep posting something about the LIVES of our Vancouver Contestants and their going ons... ...then reading "essays" that are lectures or OFF-TOPIC discussions of "CORRECT" social values!! All you Vancouver followers out there, keep us posted with sightings, and news of our maturing ladies of the future ;D We want PICs !!! We want locations of where they will appear and what they will be doing (if its a public function, of course) Keep this thread ALIVE, until MCVP 2006 !  ;D |
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Post by oh i know on Feb 10, 2006 4:11:27 GMT -5
I believe you are mistaken on my position. I am not saying that I do not have agenda because clearly I do. I have passed judgement on whether I feel it is appropriate or not for strangers to assess these women based only on their appearances, what I am not judging is whether writers are being rude or not.
I am advocating a point of view but it is a much needed reaction to the long-standing hegemonic view of women. Those of you who have never engaged in any type of social ACTIVISM, as persons of intellect and reason, perhaps you should join me.
To be clear, my concern lies little with the two who only posted pictures although I had opened my reply with that comment. As one that has been intimately involved in a pageant, I would most definitely feel uneasy if it were the random use of my or my friends' image.
As for people not liking being told what to think, the dissemination of ill-conceived ideas only sustains ignorance. Improving upon the status of women in this country is not a noble cause, it is a necessity.
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Post by u sure know on Feb 10, 2006 5:44:56 GMT -5
It would be difficult for us less than politically correct followers of a BEAUTY pageant, to make sure that every time we talk about a contestant, that we ensure we also mention or discuss their beauty in other aspects beside facial and physical beauty or other outward aspects of beauty such as choice of fashion and how they wear their hair and makeup, such as how beautiful their aspirations and dreams are (and whether society approve of those aspirations and dreams), how beautiful their mind is, or how beautiful their physical or intellectual talents are. To do all this just to appear balanced in the follower's comments.
My point is, the standard of beauty is changing with the times and the cultures involved. Many followers of beauty (in this case a beauty pageant for women), may not be well versed in the latest idealism or standards of beauty these days... Certainly, the pageantry organization and the sponsors of those pageants would like to "push", promote, or advanced their version of beauty on the attending contestants... that is why each pageantry show has themes, and the women who participated are supposingly projecting those themes for the organizer. In return, the sponsors get visibility, and the contestants receive an unforgettable experience, and possibly opportunities.
Most women who attend these contests are fairly strong in their mental makeup already, or they would not have been able to endure the grueling training and preparations involved in participating in such a contest. They entered these contest knowing full well that they would be in the public-eye, and that their every word and action and behavior would be scrutinized by the public. These women are suppose to be strong and supposedly represent a symbol of balance of beauty, poise, confidence, talent (physical, artistic or intellectual) and inner strength. Without the latter, they would not have survived the pageantry process itself.
I hope the status and image of the role of women is strong and well these days, as compared to a decade or five ago, and that the status of women is not endangered in any way regardless of what a few members in chat rooms and forums are saying about beauty pageant contestants.
I hope our contestants are not so "fragile" such that they need to be actively "protected" by means of ACTIVISM, like in the 60s and the early 70s.
Like all things on human societies, the role of women and the respect they get is fought and earned by the women themselves, overtime. It is not ASKED for, nor should people tip toe around how to behave and talk about women, or be told so.
My personal observations are: Respect is Earned, and Rights are fought and obtained with actions and patience. In an absolute sense, everyone is equal, and in-equality is in the mind of the "victim". Why? Because if you feel victimized, do something about it to change your situations, so that you won't be victimized anymore.
For example, if I am a contestant, and all my fans can think of about me are my legs or face or other body parts... instead of remembering me because of my bubbly personality or my amazing intellect... who can I blame? No one. It's either I am too sexy in physical appearance, in behavior, and maybe not showing or projecting enough of the other aspects such as personality or aspirations or talents or confidence.
For number 6, Susan Wong, all I can remember her most by is how "cute" she is, with her voice, and the cute personality she "projects"... she might have wished her fans to think otherwise... but only she and her future actions can change that.
If others have stereotyped or type-casted you into a particular mold, role, or whatever, only you can do something about it to break out of it. Just tell people to not perceive you that way just because you don't like it and that you have feelings may not be enough in most cases.
Telling forum followers how they SHOULD behave politically correctly according to prevailing social norms and idealism certainly will not advance the image and role of women in societies, it is only they, through their own will to change for the better, whatever "better" is, that will help their cause.
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Post by really on Feb 10, 2006 12:06:34 GMT -5
 Sizzling hot or not, Lora is indeed contestant "#1" in the MCVP 2005 ! Hehe ;D Her spanish dance number certainly had quite the attitude! and she sure sounded intelligent and confident when she was answering the interview questions.  I heard she does well at both high school and univeristy too, beside her many talents. |
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Post by guest on Feb 10, 2006 20:19:57 GMT -5
Miss Chinese Interviews is now presenting Viewers Choice MCV2005 Miss.Photogenic! charxyeung.tripod.com Please pick three contestants and send your picks(in order please) to charxyeung@gmail.com Deadline is Feb.16th 12:00 Pacific Time. Please send your picks IN ORDER. I update the leaderboard everyday if possible. |
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Post by guest on Feb 13, 2006 20:13:40 GMT -5
Miss Chinese Interviews is now presenting Viewers Choice MCV2005 Miss.Photogenic! charxyeung.tripod.com Please pick three contestants and send your picks(in order please) to charxyeung@gmail.com Deadline is Feb.16th 12:00 Pacific Time. Please send your picks IN ORDER. I update the leaderboard everyday if possible. how u do it? |
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Post by SlimShady Slim Shady is crazy on Feb 13, 2006 21:56:54 GMT -5
Where did you get all the interviews?or did you just made them up?
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Post by guest on Feb 14, 2006 2:05:32 GMT -5
Where did you get all the interviews?or did you just made them up? duh! i interviewed the girls! |
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Post by SlimShady Slim Shady is crazy on Feb 14, 2006 18:27:08 GMT -5
How? u know them all in person?
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Post by guest on Feb 14, 2006 20:17:06 GMT -5
How? u know them all in person? ..it's kind of obvious that you can email them. |
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, and the writer before that thinks she's sizzling hot (that person entitled to his/her opinion, too!) 
It could also be interpreted that the first writer wants to generate a little excitement and heat for the contestant s/he is routing for (who knows!?)
could either one of you help me with my essays ;D
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